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| Salam Damai semua, Dah lama persoalan ini timbul. Bolehkah kita sebagai orang awam mengkritik atau menegur Paderi kita? Faado, jangan gia mara sia ah! Regards, | |
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| Salam Damai..
Paderi tu pun seorang manusia biasa mcm kita. Menegur bukannya sesuatu yg terlarang tetapi biarlah bertempat. Menegur selalunya positif, kerana dengan menegur, kita membantu membina diri seseorang. Sebaliknya mengkritik boleh dibahagikan kepada dua iaitu kritikan membina dan kritikan membinasa.
Walaupun seorang paderi itu manusia biasa, kita tidak boleh cakap sesuatu tidak baik terhadapnya. Apa yg membezakan seorang paderi dan seorang lelaki bukan paderi ialah seorang paderi itu sudah menyerahkan dirinya sepenuh kepada Tuhan, dan Tuhan telah memberikan satu karunia istimewa kepadanya.
Ini saya dapat dari buku pieta (boleh didapati online juga):
Criticism of Priests
Found at Mount Carmel Catholic Bloggers: Criticism of Priests: Our Blessed Lord’s private revelation to Mutter Vogel
Our Blessed Lord’s private revelation to Mutter Vogel “One should never attack a priest, even when he’s in error. Rather, one should pray and do penance that I’ll grant him My grace again. He alone fully represents Me, even when he doesn’t live after my example.”
“When a priest falls, we should extend him a helping hand through prayer and not through attacks! I myself with be his judge, no one but I! Whoever voices judgment over a priest has voiced it over Me, child, never let a priest be attacked; take up his defense. Child, never judge your confessor, rather pray much for him and offer every Thursday, through the hands of my Blessed Mother, the Holy Communion for him. Never again accept an out-of-the-way word about a priest, and speak not unkind word about him, even if it be true! Every priest is My Vicar and My Heart will be sickened and insulted because of it. If you hear a judgment against a priest, pray an Ave Maria.”
“If you see a priest who celebrates the Holy Mass unworthily, then say nothing about him, rather, tell it to Me alone! I stand beside Him on that altar! Oh pray much for my priests, that they’ll love purity above all; that they’ll celebrate the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass with pure hands and heart. Certainly, the Holy Sacrifice is the one and same even when it’s celebrated by a unworthy priest, but the grace called down upon the people is not the same!” (28.2.1938)
Diharapkan sedikit sebanyak membantu dlm menjawab soalan anda..
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joelisa75
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| Sapa la kita mau kritik kepala gereja? Walaupun dia manusia cam kita in term of perfection dan tidak terlepas dari kesilapan... namun kita harus tau apa yang kita injak sebelum kritik Paderi. | |
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| Hi Joe, Salam Damai.
Sia tak dapat memahami apa yang anda maksudkan dengan ayat yang terakhir.
Mungkin anda perlu lebih jelaskan. Bersharing sharing ba kita. | |
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joelisa75
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| hi Popjagung... mohon maaf kalo bahasa sa tu ndak mampu di pahami... sebenarnya maksud sa tu, kita mau tau sapa diri kita, kelebihandan kekurangan kita, dengan sapa kita bakal kritik dan kesan kritikan itu terhadap pengkritik. itu jakkk. tima kaci. | |
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| - joelisa75 wrote:
- hi Popjagung...
mohon maaf kalo bahasa sa tu ndak mampu di pahami... sebenarnya maksud sa tu, kita mau tau sapa diri kita, kelebihandan kekurangan kita, dengan sapa kita bakal kritik dan kesan kritikan itu terhadap pengkritik. itu jakkk. tima kaci. Hi Joe, Jadi, boleh ka inda? hehehe | |
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snana
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| shalom semua.. sy bersetuju dengan pendapat Human_Torch.. sy pun ada tu buku pieta.. pd pendapat sy.. buku tu mgkn betul, mgkn tidak juga.. jadi, apa yang kita boleh buat, kita pray ja la sama Tuhan tentang paderi2 yang kita mau kritik tu..kita 'bagitau' Tuhan semua pasal apa2 yang kita nda suka ttg paderi tu and kita pray semoga paderi tu nda mcm tu lagi.. maciam?? hehe.. -Prayer is the powerful weapon- | |
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| hi, nama sy jamesbon! sy xtau la mgenai perception of each person, but i DO think paderi can be criticizes... mo tau napa sy ckp gtu? bcoz we r human being... just jgn merpertikai kan kwibawaan mereka sbgi ktua gereja n as a father sbb dorg lebih expert ttg agama kristian, sy bagi opinion sy ja... jan mara ah! mcm c snana ckp...kita kac crita sma Tuhan ja pa yg kta rs better utk kita punya paderi...apa2 pun kta rsa psl itu father, jan la kac buruk sma urg len... x bagus tue geng! ![Wink](https://2img.net/i/fa/i/smiles/icon_wink.gif) | |
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sabrina
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| mau kritik si padoo? tapi napa mau kritik si padoo? apa gia salah dia? ehehehe... menurut pandangan sy la... religious2 ni, dorang jenis yg kalo menyedari kesilapan akan berani untuk berubah... yg kita2 nie berani mcm dorang ka? sy rasa kritik mengkritik nie jalan pintas sudah untuk membahagiakan diri sendiri... cuba ko ambil masa lapang si Rev. Father, pi bercerita ceritu... selami kehidupan religious dia.. hmmm... then tanya2 laa apa yang jadi persoalan di dalam jiwa ko tentang kejiwaan Rev. Fr kamu... nda susah bha tu kann kalo ko popcorn... ( ehehee.. ko suka tngok movie ka nie? sebab sy rasa ko suka makan popcorn...) ...paling tidak pun, ko bleh dapat satu urang lagi best fren.. ehehehehe... bertindaklah seperti "sisik tapuk" untuk menjadi orang yang bijaksana... ![lol!](https://2img.net/i/fa/i/smiles/lol.gif) | |
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| napa mau kritik father pula???tidak masuk akal pun...kalau kita ada masalah dgn father, kita jumpalah dia and cakap dengan dia...sia rasa tidak bagus juga kita kritik.kalau cakap kita human being pun, patut cakap dengan dia dulu jangan trus kritik...haruslah bertimbang rasa dan bsabar...takkan kita mau kritik ibubapa atau anggota keluarga kita dpn orang ramai biar pun diorang ada salah (sia anggap father, sister, brother & lain2 dalam gereja sebagai ahli keluarga)...
sorilah...juz my opinion... | |
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BlaCken
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| i agree on that vern... and H.T and criticisme is a harsh word dont you think? just like vandalisme... bad on the ears... yeah, priests are human beings. and human beings have feelings. bila kita kritik seseorang, walapun niat kita baik, tapi itu akan sedikit sebanyak memakan hati seseorang itu. hidup bukan maacam AF of M.Idol or apa-apa reality show. and kalaupun kita mau kasi kait hidup dengan Reality show nie (Im sure someone will) just remember, Priests bukan peserta. ![Smile](https://2img.net/i/fa/i/smiles/icon_smile.gif) jangan la kritik. kalau mau kasitau sesuatu, bincang la kan? lagi selesa. mari kita define Criticisme; kita mengkritik bila kita membuahkan pendapat tentang seseorang dimana individu tersebut tidak dapat atau berpeluang untuk memberi balasan terhadap pendapat itu. now, is that fair? lets think together on this shall we? regards, BlaCken ![afro](https://2img.net/i/fa/i/smiles/icon_rr.png) | |
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potiukan
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| Saya betul betul ingat forum ini sudah kena tutup.
Ok la, mungkin tajuk ini salah. Patutnya begini,"bolehkah kita menegur Paderi?" Kebanyakannya kita tak setuju. Well, itu pendapat masing masing la kan. Kalau sia, tegur ja la kalau Paderi salah. Takkan kita mau kasi biar ja kalau dia salah. Sampai bila pun takkan berubah. Bodohlah siapa yang tegur depan depan orang. Kita tegur personally pun namanya "teguran" juga. Apapun, sia sangat menghormati Paderi dan Gereja. Anda? | |
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